In this episode, I talk with radio host and think tank wonk J. Hughes about religion and the skillful liberation of hobbled minds and with Chip Walter. Chip is the author of Thumbs, Toes, and Tears: And Other Traits That Make Us Human about taking an active role in human evolution which you can find in the C-Realm Amazon Store. He has written other books and worked on Emmy Award-winning television science documentaries. You can learn more about those on his website:

In this episode I continue my conversation with science writer, Chip Walter, and later Queerninja, host of the Sounds of World Wide Weed, infuses the C-Realm with light and laughter.

Queerninja hosts the Sounds of World Wide Weed on the Dopefiend.co.uk Cannibus Podcast Network. New shows posted most every Thursday.

KMO welcomes science writer Chip Walter, author of Thumbs Toes and Tears and Other Traits that Make Us Human, back to the podcast to discuss the evolutionary origins of kissing and the role that this curiously delightful behavior plays in making us distinctly us.

You can hear my first interview with him in episode 13: Skillful Means and episode 14: Enter the (Queer) Ninja!

Chip's book, Thumbs, Toes, and Tears: And Other Traits That Make Us Human, was recently released in a paperback edition with a foreword by Ray Kurzweil. If you want to read what Ray Kurzweil has to say about Chip's book, you can find that foreword along with Chip's article, Why Language Is All Thumbs on Ray Kurzweil's website.

Later in the program, KMO discusses the eco-village project that Alan Shoemaker has embarked on in Iquitos, Peru. Alan will return on Friday's podcast to talk about the 4th Annual International Amazonian Shamanism Conference.

In the episode KMO reads from Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson and The Post-Petroleum Survival Guide and Cookbook: Recipes for Changing Times. Of course, you can find both books in the C-Realm Amazon store, but you can also read Prometheus Rising on-line for free.